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Dr. Joel Fuhrman: Reversing Disease with Plant-Based Nutrition

Dr. Joel Fuhrman: Reversing Disease with Plant-Based Nutrition

By Bryan Wright 27 Comments May 16, 2019



everybody it's Chris from crispy cancer and today my guest is dr. joel Fuhrman dr. Fuhrman is a board certified family physician nutritional researcher and six-time New York Times bestselling author who specializes in preventing and reversing disease through nutritional methods his numerous scientific publications include his foundational discoveries on food addiction and human hunger published in the scientific journal nutrition journal and in November 2010 dr. Fuhrman coined the term nutrit Arian to describe a plant rich nutrient-dense eating style designed to slow aging prevent cancer and extend lifespan all things I'm very interested in and so is my audience dr. Fuhrman has been on the radio and TV hundreds of times been on dr. oz lots of times Today Show he's educated millions of people about health and healthy eating he's had four big PBS specials maybe you've seen one of those he's raised over thirty five million dollars for public television and in addition to running the dr. Fuhrman wellness center in New Jersey he also operates the eat to live retreat in San Diego where people from all over the world come and stay from anywhere from four to twelve weeks and we'll talk about that too because some of you watching or listening this actually might be a great resource for you to just to break out of you know your home environment and get into a super healthy living and eating environment to help you get well so this latest book is called fast food genocide how processed food is killing us and what we can do about it how was that for an intro sounds great to me okay who is that guy that's you so it's great it's great to be with you thanks so much for taking the time to talk I know my audience is gonna love you many of them know you already and love you so they're gonna love hearing from you and enjoy our chat so thanks well thanks for having me on Christian like and then pretty all the good work okay as well thank you man it means a lot thanks much so I'd love to I'd love to hear your origin story how joel fuhrman became dr. joel Fuhrman and not just any old MD but an MD who is so passionate about nutrition diet prevention healing all those things because most medical doctors as we know I don't talk about diet at all you mean how would I kind of decided to go to medical school well how did you become you know I went to medical school with the specific intent to be a physician specializing nutrition that's why I wanted to go to medical school how did that happen I mean how did you become interested I think I become interested when I was in my teenage years I was reading books that my father was reading to because he was overweight and sickly trying to get his health back and I read the books and started to expose myself to the community of like natural hygienists most of eating dr. Herbert Shelton's works yeah you know back in the 1950s and I was born in 1953 so it must have been around around I guess the 1960s you know I mean in the 1960s it was a competitive ice skater and then when I left the skating community I was working in my father's shoe business but always thinking that I should probably go back to get the pre-medical requirements to go to medical schools my passion was was nutrition I wasn't a billing that then I've been my sister who was five years younger had a cop graduated from college that had a had a poor graduation party and I started and one of her friends at that party was said they were going to medical school and I started having a conversation but this would this woman saying what do you want to go to med school or doctors just treat people with poisons you know when you're and you're um and you know people are smacking themselves with poisons and their junk food I and they think that drugs are going to fix that I said we got to get people to change the way they eat a program okay people healthy so this woman said to me if you just work passionates is it yours you sound so passionate she said if you're this passionate about that she said why don't you go to medical school too why don't you go to medical school and try to change things and do it and make it to it differently and have an impact you know and then so I went about marrying that girl that person and so then so I went to so at that point I am I left my family's shoe business because I had finished I graduated college three or four years earlier and that was work so then I left so I was dabbling and taking some courses but I said even right you're right I um my wife my the person I was dating then it became my wife Lisa she was going to medical school so I also then I quit that my father's business and I went back full-time to the postgraduate program at Columbia to get the pre medical requirements I didn't get in college so it went back to the postgraduate pre-med program and then went to medical school so I quit everything and just you're right I should just do this for this is my passion I got to do it and then we got engaged and we both went to medical school together that's really interesting and it makes sense that you came into it already is sort of with a passion and a focus because probably most of your colleagues in med school were not thinking that way and did you learn much about nutrition and med school you know they made I was chairperson of the nutritional education committee at that Penn yeah at the medical school and I was doing some orbits and researches there they allow you and they encourage you to pursue your own interests to be you know to be to specialize and to be really be an expert I wanted him to see decide you want to do so I did pursue that a little bit in school when I was funny everything I would influence my classmates and even the teachers about nutrition when I was in medical school I remember when I would be walking into my seat to sit down some of my fellow students would be hiding their candy bars and they're like into they're putting it back in their bag when I would walk by and I would say well I'm not your mother do whatever you want you know but I remember even back in medical school I had an influence in and even students and people who are you know 65 years old so my contemporaries even though a little older going to med school most doctors will learn who graduated med school with me or older today they always write me in contact with how much I had a positive influence in their life and their health and nutrition that are in them and their practices as well so I did have an influence back then even on my classmates in medical school that's amazing man it must feel good so you you have published a number of books two of my favorites I have not read all your books but the two my favorites are eat to live which is obviously monumental legendary book and super immunity and one of the concepts in there that you talk about is G bombs an acronym for some of the most nutrient-dense foods that we should be eating every day can you talk about that explain what G bombs are right so as you say the in acronym G bombs stands for green particularly green leafy cruciferous vegetables and then beans and onions and mushrooms and berries and seeds these food categories that have the most scientific support for their anti-cancer effects and we know that from scientific study is the same foods that powerfully protect against cancer prolong life and prevent recurrence in people who already have cancer so the same dietary portfolio that's preventative against cancer is effective for people who have a diagnosis of cancer so so so that and that's repeated I want people to eat those foods and try to eat large amounts especially green vegetables because with regard to leafy green cruciferous vegetables the studies seem to indicate there's no threshold effect like a threshold effect I mean that as you go from the from you know 10 grams 250 grams 200 grams 250 grams as you increase the amount you're consuming it doesn't level off the benefits don't flatten out you continue to get benefits as you go to the higher amounts a study on 134,000 Asians showed that when they divide a green vegetable intake into five different quintiles in the highest quintile the highest fifth we had the most longer the people in the most longevity with mushrooms it's a little bit different because mushrooms seem to max out the threshold effect at 20 or 30 grams a day you can eat eating much in cups and bowls and mushrooms it's not going to give you additional benefits from eating a moderate amount and 20 to 30 grams of mushrooms what does that translate to 10 as the size of your thumb so it yeah just a few or one each amount of mushrooms in other words but they they are the most powerful foods with the most powerful anti aromatase effects wrong it's the design that produce estrogen produces estrogen and higher circulating levels of estrogen increases risk of breast cancer and prostate cancer and you know that the fat cells on the body your fat on your body is low is a hypoxic tissue by hypoxic means the blood supply it's not well profused with blood vessels so it's not getting enough oxygen so it puts out yet active oxygen species and free radicals and toxins and like cytokines and lipo kinds it's this throws out more waste products and the inflammatory process the inflammatory compounds thrown off by the fact supply excite aroma taste and make you produce more estrogen so an overweight person with fatty infiltration of the breasts a woman for example could have ten times the estrogen stimulation of breast tissue if she's overweight compared to not being overweight so it's the combination of being overweight but then if you are normal weight and you consume mushrooms it really has it protects the breast tremendously against breast cancer and it's even more you know it's comparatively are more effective than taking tamoxifen the anti aromatase inhibitors that these are the big drug we give you people with breast cancer these drugs but what I'm saying right now is that there's no such thing as a healthy overweight person that the primary the underlying principle of a nutri terrian diet is moderate caloric restriction in the context of micronutrients of excellence and full phytochemical exposure of all the protective compounds but if you are if you're overweight the fat cells make you insulin resistant and higher circulating insulin increases risk of cancer and promotes angiogenesis and then it produces more aroma tanks activity and higher levels of estrogen most cancer and it also promotes other inflammatory of Crowe cancerous compounds and so we're talking here that we want we need to get the nutrient levels up but at the same time the button we have to have the diet be home only favorable and the exact the precision in the amount of calories is important and has to be individualized so people slow their metabolic rate down by moderate reducing calories but not to the point of getting too emaciated or anorexic or too thin so it has to be very controlled for maximizing human lifespan and maximum action against cancer so as complex as it sounds it actually is pretty simple and practice though right in terms of eating the right foods and the wrong foods so I know the question you get a lot and I get it a lot too is let me put it differently do humans need to eat meat or animal foods to be healthy um well I would reword that question a little bit and say that is a diet with a little bit of animal products going to be more dangerous than a diet that's completely vegan in other words does a little bit of animal products add to the quality of the diet or is it distract from the quality of the diet that's you know you know let's let's look at that for a minute okay because that's oh really that is a really complicated question because most of the studies and we like to look at long term studies that look at hard endpoints to play depth and how old people are when they die to get more facts and credence because short term studies with soft endpoints can show anything you know but but in any case it seems that all the long-term studies with many thousands of people show that as you ratchet up animal protein a diet you accelerate risk of cancer and risk of cardiovascular death and the mechanisms are there's a few different mechanisms one is that the as you eat more animal products you produce more gram-negative bacteria and more TMAO or trimethylamine oxide it's a prop byproduct of gram-negative bacteria in the gut and then out of choline so you produce more pro-inflammatory compounds that promote dementia heart disease and cancer and as you get more animal protein the duck because the protein is well biologically complete it's already pre forms be complete and that then your eating and when you eat excess protein it produces excess hormone because the body can't regulate down it's not going to burn all those protein for energy and the body can't excrete protein as efficiently they urine and it doesn't burn so it it will turn it into hormone and the hormones accelerate cancer so just lytic so excess insulin from excess complex Cockrum excess simple carbohydrates excess insulin promotes cancer but extra protein from animal protein from igf-1 also as a growth promoting hormone that promotes cellular implication and cancer as well but we know from looking to copy in primitive populations that don't eat animal products they would be deficient in b12 and it seems like a little bit of seafood in the diet may supply people with the extra zinc DHA and b12 making the diet safer than being on a strict vegan diet which may have been the case in Prior generations that vegans wouldn't couldn't thrive but but in today's society we have the opportunity and ability to take b12 to take a little extra zinc or to take DHA to mark to remove those potential deficiency that a vegan diet might have and then the question is is to intelligently and conservatively supplemented vegan diet more lifespan promoting then one that includes a little bit of animal product even in small amounts that's a difficult question to answer the Adventists Health Study too looked at that that was just published about a month ago that looked at if small amounts of animal products three to five servings a month had increased risks of sudden cardiac death or cardiovascular death over people that were complete vegans and were a little bit of meat eating the diet was negative and they seemed to show in that study that you had more cardiovascular deaths in those even eating a little bit of animal product that was cardiovascular death and they didn't I'm not sure I don't think they accounted for seafood versus other animal products we do know a lot of the seafood is contaminated with different types of chemicals and microplastics and things like that so leading to much seafoods puts more toxins in the body and because of the biological concentration of toxicity and most animal products even in seals than the architektur polar bears it's not commercially raised animal products it's just the nature of them eating more that these predatory animals eat more smaller animals and smaller foods and concentrate the the toxins in their tissues so I'm suggesting that it's most likely that a vegan diet that's appropriately supplemented is going to more likely promote lifespan and lower rates of cancer and cardiovascular that doesn't mean everybody that would be that would be the case in every individual because there are certain individuals who as they age don't absorb sufficient protein they're pro today they have they're weak in their ability to absorb protein and their i GF one could get too low making them fail and reduce an immunity and there may some people that may need to modulate the protein and even need to add a double protein to keep their igf-1 from dropping to uh-oh so it's certainly not a one-size-fits-all approach but I do agree for most people that a conservatively supplemented vegan diet is most likely the most lifespan promoting yeah I appreciate the fact that you are not hardline you know on this which some people are that everyone should be vegan you know and that's the best solution for everybody at you I think what you were talking about to remind me of doctor Valter Longo study were they were they found that a basically an a plant-based diet was extremely protective for heart disease and cancer and a lot of chronic disease up until age 65 but then they also sort of it's like things started to flip the other way for older folks and they might need a little more animal protein like you said if they have a hard time metabolizing it from plants yes you know I don't agree with that study by the way at age 65 because you know if you what I'm saying right now is if you follow the new titanium diet what you're aging slower and you know you so I'm 65 right and I'm I look at what ups now I'm doing I'm doing more Chin's and push-ups and more aggressive athletic activity now they did when I was thirty because when I was 30 I was coming out of medical school I was sitting on my panel all time I wasn't as fit as I am now yeah I'm more ripped and more lean and I have a lower body fat now and I did when I was thirty years old and I'm not sitting I'm not be like other sixty five year olds you know I mean I can have much more fit so it's just my digestion it's not gonna be like other 65 year olds either 65 year olds who are for old 65 years olds what I'm saying like people I went to school with most of them are dead right you know but so I'm saying that that may flip in a healthy person at age 89 at age 65 number one and number two eating the right diet may prevent that by like that need for increased biological protein to raise idea for that would happen if a person's eating high levels of meat all their life so in so it's not quite that data needs a lot of scientific you know figuring it out curacy and details that are not quite accurate so what we do differently is we measure each individual and we see their bio will be able to be a protein their level of idea for on the level of inflammatory proteins so we get it so it's not just a guessing game so I don't I would never give that up advice at age 65 eat more protein ya know what I mean because what I'm finding is that most people even as they get to the 80 and 85 don't need more protein and a nutri tarrying diet and is different from these low-fat high-carbohydrate vegan diets with a lot of potato and rice the nutritive diet is much more protein adequate to begin with because it contains soybeans and other beings and salad greens and leafy greens and quinoa and mentoring pine nuts and sunflower seeds and hemp seeds so we're already increasing the protein content of plant foods and in the seventh-day adventists protein study published in March of 2018 it showed that more animal protein made for a shorter life span even as that people got older but more plant protein food accelerated life that made increased longevity so they compared so what I'm saying right now is when you diet is primarily plant-based eating more high protein plant foods showed in that large-scale study to into slow to enhance lifespan and we're talking about high protein plant foods like you know broccoli artichokes quinoa Mediterranean pine nuts hemp seeds sunflower seeds black beans soy beans edamame there are inclusion trying to include high protein plant foods Whole Foods does make the diet more beneficial for the elderly these rice based macrobiotic potato based diets are not adequate protein for toddlers and into children young children and they're not adequate protein for the elderly let's say above 80 not about 65 anyway and then we have a lot of that vegan community okay and you don't need supplements like DHA and things like that and then we have a seeing a lot of those elderly vegans becoming losing their memory of becoming demented early stage of dementia prematurely and getting demented in later life I've had a lot that you know that's been my experience I've taken care of this community for the last thirty years of seeing that to the DHA is an important element that's affects about 50% of vegans when you measure the blood tests that about 50% of vegans who are not supplementing don't fall on that ideal range of the omega-3 index we see that the Amogh mega 3 index when it starts to go below 4 we start to see studies showing brain shrinkage and so we want to keep that level you know 5 or above a safe level and some people would not need supplementation because they genetically make enough that other people would like way again and not the one diet fits all approach we want to make sure everybody is safe and doing the right thing it does make sense to actually have someone look at your blood work and see where you're deficient or not and so are there any other supplements that you find that maybe vegans or those eating a plant-based diet need on occasion well some of them well some of them don't variable like vitamin D you don't want anybody be vitamin D deficient so it depends on and the amount of vitamin D people need from where they live their skin color age they're outdoors their genetics vary tremendously too so we just can't assume that people don't need it we have to assume that you know you have a blood test show you don't need it that's fine then you know what I mean so you want to make sure people have sufficient vitamin D that's one thing the next thing is zinc because you'll only absorb about 20% of the zinc from plant foods compared to 80 percent from animal products and we know that zinc absorption goes down with aging and if we're not going to have a heart attack or cancer then another cause of death and thousands of years ago is infection and pneumonia as the immune system wins and the immune stem cells start to get depleted in later life the question is does added zinc make you have less chance of ammonia infection in later life and we we do have some answers some studies not unbeatens but we do have some studies just in regular people elderly people taking zinc so they show they have less pneumonia so I'm thinking it's most likely the case since the vegan diet is marginally borderlining zinc status because of the low absorption of zinc on plant foods that's most likely the case that zinc benefits vegans as they age as well so I'm thinking so most likely it's b12 vitamin D zinc and DHA are the most important elements to think about k2 is another element but the data on k2 is a little more if you're not sure if you may be on a healthy diet whether you can convert more of the bacteria from K 1 into K 2 sufficiently in it up another unknown when the data is not really there yet to come to a definitive conclusion but so I'm so I do recommend people add that just in cases a little bit extra is not gonna hurt anybody and we don't really know for sure you know so some of the areas are gray areas you know what I mean yeah I like the d3 with k2 okay is there any particular form of zinc that matters that's better than others or if someone it's just yeah I don't think so I don't think that much either you know and and the problem with the zinc also is you can't check your blood test to see if you're adequate zinc you have to just guess because the blood is not an accurate indicator of zinc status it's mostly intracellular you know okay so you mentioned beans earlier and I know it's one of the G bombs you know sort of fundamental high nutrient dense foods and there's a lot of food fear these days around the goom's and beans thanks to another very famous AMD and I'd love for you to touch on beans and specifically on lectins and phytates in beans and help alleviate this fear that a lot of people have that is unfounded right well you know a lot of people in the nutritional field come up with various hypotheses you know their hypothesis is that it's better to cut out all the nuts and all the fat of your diet if you have heart disease now that's the hypothesis but the question is what are the studies show what are the long what if we look at all the evidence we have that's been collected in every study on that subject and all the data what is the data but an impartial Journal jury of French judges what would they if they view all the evidence what would they find so we have to in other words view the evidence in a very comprehensive and impartial way and so what I'm saying right now is that unquestionably we know that beans are linked to enhance longevity at lower rates of cancer not in probably more than a thousand different studies and all the Blue Zones consume zinc nor the longest of people consume beans and we know what's in beings there there haven't and they have you know a lot of resistance starch a lot of Manaslu pentakus phosphate a lot of polyphenols we know they're protective against cancer this idea that lectins and phytates are anti or anti nutrients we actually know the opposite is true that lectins and phytase have beneficial effects in the body and beneficial effects on longevity so lectins from certain beans can be dangerous only when the beans are raw or inadequately cooked and that's why we only sprout small beans like lentils and mung beans we don't sprout the big beans right gum you know like red kidney beans or or on you know or canola beans we don't sprout those beans because when they're raw they can't have dangerous amount of weapons but when they're well cooked as they should be when they're soaked and well cooked there's no Bennet there's no danger from weapons you get tremendous benefit from those foods so that so the person who brought that book we most of us in the nutritional field don't consider his right and and what he said to be honest and truthful because the data that he supports it with the studies that he supports it with in his book don't say what he says that the book says so these nutty's misrepresenting what the literature says and then he's claiming that he's done research his own research that doesn't even make sense but it's never been published never done any peer review never been out there anywhere so he's just making he's making lots of false claims and certainly that doesn't mean that some people can't be allergic to certain foods and some people can't do better without beings nobody's denying it's always exceptions some people may be allergic to nuts and they should eating nuts either you know I mean but that doesn't mean that beans are not an excellent food for the vast majority of individuals which of course they are and I'd like to say one thing about this is that the Blue Zones where we have the most long-lived people people Sardinia Okinawa Loma Linda you know all these areas of the world where you have most long with people they are living longer in some haphazard fashion because you happen to have healthy food around and they're happy to be eating a healthy diet compared to other areas of the world but I want to just make this clear that a nutri terian diet is designed scientifically to be much more lifespan promoting than a blue zone would be because we're using scientific studies to show what are the advantages of the blue zones to make sure we have all the and one of the advantages of the most powerful anti-cancer foods and we're using modern transportation and growing methods to have like wild blueberries available all year round and the frozen out of your freezer or to have access to green cruciferous leafy greens all year round and have access to foods the blue zones didn't have access to so a high potato eating blues unlike the Okinawan sized sweet potato with some low amounts of sufficient and some sea vegetables may and the Loma Linda Blue Zones anymore you know eating more vegetables but whatever it is I'm saying here or the Sardinian zone anymore tomato sauce and oh sweet potato and more fish but no they always so the question is how do we take the best from every blue zone how do we take the best foods that are shown in studies the world we look at all those studies on individual food and longevity then we check off every box to make sure your dietary portfolio is full with all the most powerful longevity promoting an anti-cancer food and that's what a new trait Aryan diet does which should enable us to live much longer than the Blue Zones you follow me it's tweaking the Blue Zones up to a different level of excellence we have makes sense to investigate and kind of take the best of you know the best of all worlds and combine them so what is it what does your daily diet look like what's the typical breakfast lunch and dinner look like for you well I try to encourage people including myself to have a big salad with a for lunch um I'm usually finely chopping up some arugula watercress or broccoli sprouts with lettuce and and some kind of you know little red onion or scallion tomatoes you know and then I'll make a nut and seed base dressing I'll usually you know maybe tomato paste or tomato sauce with almond butter and safflower seeds and some champagne vinegar or vinegar or something else I'll make some degree of healthy dressing and I'll usually have the bowl of Bowl or some vegetable bean soup or a vegetable being low for a chili or something like that I had one piece of fruit was just I enjoy having you know some of my favorite fruits like jackfruit or something like frozen jackfruit or frozen blueberries or frozen Anna mentioning frozen because you can't always get fresh and frozen is much less expensive and with frozen blueberries for example they're not treated with fungicide whereas fresh if you buy fresh it has to be organic because they are the fresh berries are treated with the with the fungicide so they don't get it fungus on whereas the frozen is not so you can't afford organic you better off buying frozen because doesn't focus it on it not buying non-organic fresh you follow me yeah that's actually that's great advice I'd never heard that before so um so here's our breakfast what do you have for breakfast for breakfast I vary so much something we're just having a glass of vegetable juice and going to the gym or sometimes I'm just having some some type of raw oats you know with cooked oats are oils with subtract seeds and chia seeds and blueberries and and raspberries or something or pretty much missed every day yeah something like that usually sees quinoa or over steel cut oats or something and there are lots of berries and things you know I mean yeah or senses only some of them even skip reps and just go to the gym and kind of have my vegetable meal when it come back from the gym at ten o'clock you know a berries yeah and so so okay so you might have oatmeal with some berries and nuts and seeds and stuff like that flax for breakfast a giant salad for lunch with some bean soup and then what does dinner look like I usually have like I'm gonna have more cooked vegetables than raw at dinner maybe it'll be like artichokes asparagus broccoli string beans snow pea pods maybe it's a walk with mushrooms and onions and I'm walking in water with just water chestnuts and bamboo shoots and shredded cabbage and onions and mushrooms and things like that and I'm putting on a Thai curry sauce on top and I'm having a little bit of raw vegetables with a dip maybe I have some kale chips and Aurora or you know or more vegetables with a hummus or a salsa dip or something and then I'll have some have a piece of some more fruit for dessert you know I love like so maybe it's maybe my lunch is more where I have my big sound and get more raw in for lunch and a dinner I'm having a little bit of raw but maybe more cooked vegetables you know I mean and then I have my this is my pretty dessert so talk about the best obviously I've got a large audience that are very cancer sensitive some of them are cancer patients some of them are cancer survivors others are just what I call cancer conscious right they've had people in their life parents friends siblings children with cancer and so what are the most potent anti-cancer fruits and vegetables well one the most potent is promptly green cruciferous vegetables green vegetables have the most protection against dementia and of cancer and heart disease anyway so you know I I usually make that juice for people who have cancer and make it one-third one-third one-third we don't want to make it all green cruciferous totally because they're too much reduce cruciferous can suppress your thyroid too much but the third is perfectly within that renounces three to six ounces a day is perfectly fine it's not going to be negative effects so we usually have let's say one-third bok choy cabbage juice 1/3 carrot beet juice and one-third lettuce cucumber celery you know I mean with a boy the unblessed juice is stuff we got so the reason why I'm using the juice is because when we feed a person a diet that usually takes them six months to get their level of nutrients in their tissues high enough to be equivalent to where mine are let's say we could measure the nutrient levels with the skins with a carotenoid scanner and when the average American scores let's say 30 instead of 55 thirty thousand and we wanted to get to a hundred thousand or eighty or ninety thousand and they'll get to be forty or fifty thousand in a few months and then sixty or seventy over a few more months we don't want to wait so long so we use juicing to get them up there quicker you know what it means well maybe you and I've been eating this way for four years on tar levels are high enough above nutrients in our tissues we don't have the juice as much but in the initial phases we're giving people juices without having to exceed because they're too full and they can't eat enough food to get their level of nutrients high enough quick enough we wanted to get their immune system to have the full benefit of the phytochemical penetration of the tissues it's not how you know so and also so that's where body but also they Lutz and sequester's nutrients and you know what I mean so and spasm muscles can actually sequester couldn't actually sequester and utilize nutrients to form cause inflammation muscles that are in spasm and caused anoxic anoxia or hypoxia you know it means so we're talking here about getting the body of enough nutrients so so so you're absolutely let me interrupt you so you said fat cells can sequester nutrients and I think this is something that probably a lot of people never heard before can you expound on that well you can imagine if I put some carrot juice in a cup of water it's going to have a certain concentration per milliliter but then I put that same amount of carrot juice in a gallon of water the amount of concentration pulled and per milliliter is going to go down and it's the nutrient density and your cells and your tissues that determines your immune body's immunity so so that when you're putting this same amount of Newt bigger vat of tissue it's going to be dispersed much more readily so when we're measuring people just the losing of the weight concentrates the nutrients better in there to the main tissues you know and then as we talked earlier fat cells are a magnet for toxins you know so though and they're also hypoxic reducing free radicals and that's going to suck up a lot of nutrients and also like even example even that I've seen people nutrient levels because they had spasmed muscles and some degree of fibromyalgia due to tissue to the muscle tissue that was in spasm and we use therapeutic massage therapeutic pressure to soften the muscles to allow for better blood flow so nutrients can get in there and remove the lactic acid and make the nerves less irritated and painful with more oxygen penetration with pressure along the nerves we found it knocks the level of nutrients down in the body because as we're opening up the channels for these let these muscle tissue that's been in spasm and tight now that we've opened it up they were they were lacking nutrients for so long that we actually measuring the nutrients find the nutrients temporarily start to go down as this tissue requires more nutrients to heal so healing requires more nutrients and then and then the tissues go back up again so during those phases we want to flood the body we want to make sure the body's having extra nutrients as body tissues nitin better enabling healing and better enabling immune function and cell repair because these phytochemicals fuel cell repair and the longevity proteins like sir one in am PKA MP kinase are accelerated that protect our DNA and protect our telomeres from shortening and trans help maintain stem cells so they're there to replenish senescence or dangerous cells or are activated by caloric restriction exercise and phytochemicals the phytochemicals and colorful plants of course and the skin of colorful plants are more powerfully protected at the skin of an orange that's why use kumquats could eat the whole skin for cancer patients and not the whole oranges you know what I mean and that's why we you know using wild blueberries because they're really small they have more skin surface area for blueberries principe their ratio of skin to innards or hire you know take the orange throw the throw the juice away and eat the skin that's where the nutrients are you know things so but so we're giving people we're paying attention to their level of phytochemicals because that really protects his longevity proteins and activates the stem cells so given these colorful I'm final chemical compounds in their diet I love that and I think a lot of people watching and listening will will clearly understand why I'm such a big fan of yours because you know you really gave me a lot of clarity as to why what I did helped me because my my anti-cancer diet for years as I was trying to prevent this recurrence that ever you know the doctors were telling me was a certainty was vegetable juices all day giant salad with onions mushrooms garlic cayenne peppers of course kale spinach right just nuts and seeds sprouts twice a day so I was eating a giant salad for lunch and dinner yeah and then juicing so my and and I was really operating mostly on instinct this is 2004 and I didn't know who you were at the time but I was just like I just how can I get the highest volume of plant food into my body every single day and that was through juices and giant salads I mean that was in I was doing some fruit smoothies too and fresh fruit but you know it's so incredible I mean you know what I'm saying and you're saying is that we have like an unprecedented opportunity human history because we could never get these superfoods in prior generations so readily available in other words we can eat the worst diet in the world be as sick as crazy but we also have have to for the best eye in the world you know I was at a farmers market me sleep and this guy Josh was making microgreens you know he was like growing the greens and cutting them off so I'd have these little baby greens and you know the younger vegetables are even more nutrient rich you know to me when there's more than that that's astounding yes so so sprouting and using microgreens are by cutting the greens off when they're young and having now you can buy like baby lettuces and thing – you know suey I couldn't we could even get baby lettuces and baby microgreens and baby what are they for mescaline greens when you were younger and and now you can get water present get broccoli sprouts I mean you're right is that we can we can really have a diet that our ancestors could not achieve in quality and protectiveness yeah it's exciting it's it's there's a there's a little bit of a high-tech you know element to it right just because of the science and what we've learned and so yeah I gets me excited for sure so let me ask you this I heard you talk about in a recent interview that is something that really I thought was so fascinating and that was the triage effect can you expound on what that is yes the word triage means that like when you go to an emergency room they're gonna take care of the sickest patients first and let you wait if you have something that's not that bad because the people that need help have to get it the most and most people inherit some under this impression that if you're feeling okay and doing okay that like for example that you're not nutritionally deficient because you don't have scurvy you're okay and I'm saying that we need to have nutritional excellence not just prevent scurvy it's in other words the amount of nutrients we need to prevent a deficiency is not the same as the nutrients we need to maximize longevity proteins and stabilize our DNA our telomeres and our stem cells with aging and we could use them in vitamin K as an example the RDI provided in k is 150 mike grams right which is not going to prevent bleeding disorder but to put a healthy nutria tearing and die of all these vegetables that you and I are reading might have two thousand micrograms of vitamin K so is this some mistake is there some different what's that how come our diets giving us but – um you know over a thousand where the RDI is only 150 is it are we just wasting all that extra nutrients of course not there's some value those extra nutrients and all the vegetables were heating and we found out that the body when it doesn't happen enough it will it will take what it needs for its current its current survival and reproduction but do so at the expense of the longevity proteins of telomeres and of stem cells and to maximize stem cell maintenance and telomere length the extra vitamin K is useful it's just not useful to keep for yourself right now so the triage effect means that we don't want to just take nutrients to prevent disease we want to have enough nutrients to maintain longevity of our cells and of our body proteins so that we can live as long as possible and that's what the triage effect is talking about that we do need over a thousand micrograms of vitamin K not from supplements but from food and we end these extra phytochemicals in isothiocyanates ITC's with getting the high up green vegetables does benefit us and does benefit the stem cell length of life in later life but you don't see those benefits till you get older because you were doing fine with less when you were younger it's in the long run when you're gonna see those benefits show up yeah and and what you're saying is that if a person is nutrient deficient then their body is going to you know Rob nutrients from itself to you know for emergencies right that's the triage analogy right when there's an injury or there's inflammation or something either and it doesn't have the abundant supply from diet then it's gonna it's it's gonna just you know take it from wherever we can get it another tissue the body takes care of your later life health lasts it wants to take care of your immediate needs and reductions first it doesn't care if you live to be 900 years old it only cares that you reproduce the species if we have to be more Intel interior think about how to protect ourselves between the 80 to 100 year old range it's the 80 to 100 which of where trunk we're enabling right now you know what I mean we're adding that extra 20 years of really good quality life you don't have to be that healthy to die at 80 the problem people dying in 80 is they have a crummy life between 70 and 80 we want to live to be a hundred but we want to have a great life between 90 and 100 in the last 10 years of her life you still want to have life worth living and that's where you have to take some a little bit more intellectual and intellectual effort and an expertise to be able to achieve that in those cases my and my focus is definitely shift towards longevity I mean initially it was just cancer survival and healing right and then yeah and now I'm 41 and I mean I've got 40 to 60 years of life right hopefully 60-ish years of life left and sure Mon you know in some ways if you're discounting it you know the healthy things I do I still have a risk of getting lots of different cancers in the next 60 years of life so like my big motivator is a prevention of chronic disease heart disease cancer diabetes but then also yeah having a great quality of life and my dad is 82 and he's he's got some problems he's got said Alzheimer's and he's you know his health is declining and yeah so neat so needless so needless because the science is there today and we don't have to have it happen if we don't want to have it happen to us doesn't have to happen right and I really thought it was interesting I mean I just want to hammer this point home that you said about how our you know our our body is constantly trying to keep us in a state of optimal health but we can be sacrificing our longevity for today's health if we're nutrient deficient right it's like we're robbing days off the end of our life you know to stay healthy now and we do that we rob days off the end of our life when we eat processed foods and foods that don't have nutrients in them so the more you eat that pizza and those bagels and then pour oil on your food the more you eat calories without a nutrient load the more you rob the end of your life you can be slim you can go to the gym you can run down the block but you can be paying for at the end of your life the more processed foods and low nutrient foods you eat I heard you talk about you've had some case studies where you were able to reverse childhood type 1 diabetes can you talk about that here yes it was the case studies were actually published in the International Journal of disease and Prevention this that just last about a month ago oh no honey I will link to it in the show notes yeah um so basically a I found that when when some children come to me very very early when after they first diagnosed or even before even instead there's some suspicion of them going soon to be diagnosed with type 1 diabetes that's when you have the most ability to reverse it and I gave you the example of the case that of a child who was happy was getting was getting type 1 diabetes we caught it early enough for reversal excellent Rishon and I gave the example of a case of anesthesiologist was adopted a local hospital using a hundred units of insulin a day who almost quit how to quit his job did it be good because his diabetes made him so sick when he filed Newton he was able to cut his insulin you stood out by about a third I mean cut it down by 2/3 I don't use 1/3 what he needed no longer highs and lows and I'm making the point that type 1 diabetes does not have to shorten your life but the way endocrinologist and I've ecologist treat type 1 diabetes is barbaric because we tell people just take as much insulin as you want to cover the carbohydrate you want to eat and they're not told that excess insulin how dangerous excess insulin is and they can't just use insulin whatever they want to cover their glucose they have to keep their diet to keep the glucose low so they don't need much insulin because excess insulin is cancer-promoting so and also most heart disease know that dementia so what I'm saying is that we have to have a new paradigm of how type 1 diabetics are treated and there has to be a limited amount of insulin but they're permitted to use and they have to follow the diets and we require that minute amount of insulin and my type 1 diabetics I assure that can live a long healthy life without heart disease cancers kidney failure blindness and leg amputation amputations because it's not the type 1 diabetes that gets them in trouble it's the diet that's requiring so much drugs that are getting them in trouble yeah and I know so many diabetics that yeah their their diets are just absolutely terrible yeah and they're definitely not getting better and it's you know as you know some people are they're not interested in change right you can't help them if they're not willing to change and so I don't exhaust much energy at all worrying about folks that don't want my help and I just try to focus on the ones that do and I know you're the same way but correct I was gonna but you know those people who need this the most who wouldn't think about wanting to do it I now can affect those people positively like just the oh just two a couple months ago this woman because I have this facility now where people can stay for two or three months and so like let me give an example a person comes in she's drinking six cups of whiskey every night and eating a junk food diet and she's about 80 pounds overweight and sickly and a food addict and she's referred him by her family and she doesn't even want to be there she doesn't want that change let's say and she's irritable and she hates the food and she's going through crankiness of crumbing love for alcohol and she's you know and if she stages three or four weeks she would have probably been helped but by learning this information retraining her taste buds we've changed her personality of who she is as a person from a person who wouldn't even consider doing this and wouldn't want to do this she became a person who wouldn't eat any other way now because she sees the benefits sees what it did to her body understands the benefit to a long-term health and we've literally changed her personality through enough time away from her addictive triggers you know what I mean so just like they just took another case I had come in who was who a who who weighed about 400 pounds and yo-yo their weight on various diets a tremendous food addict lost 50 pounds while she was there and then when she went home she lost 150 pounds the next 12 months because she her personality changed and her trainer liked her desire for these foods our understanding of the food her you know in other words we use we give these people psychological counseling we give them that we know it's an emotional problem is a physical addiction to foods because these frankenfoods are designed to take over their brain and make you like a calorie consuming monster so these people who think they can't do this even if they don't want to do it you know what I mean I mean I have people come to some of my immersions and they the husband's coming with the wife and he's not coming for the food learn anything he's just coming to play golf at the hotel because he's not gonna eat this food anyway you know what I mean let the wife go to the lectures but he sits in for a couple of lectures and it gets to him and then over time he changes when he didn't want to think he'd wanted to change the point I'm making is that I've had so much experience that I can I've seen even that people that don't even know they want this if they're exposed to enough of it they realize it's a good thing for them yeah you know I think there's a there's a shift that happened within my mind and I feel like it's pretty similar in most people is that it no longer becomes about what I can't eat right and no longer becomes about deprivation and they get excited about what can happen to them if they start making those super healthy choices and like I totally know that's what you're trying to do and that's what I'm trying to do too is that get people excited about nutrition because of what how it can change their life so to talk more about the eat to liver treat because I what is it where is it like what is it what is it right you know you understand my dilemma I was like knowing that people who are better some people can read a book come to a video come before wait for some events and they can get it and they can do it and that's fantastic but it's always troubled me that some people who are so addicted couldn't do this on their own in their own negative home environment they had too many negative signals they just couldn't yoyo they went off it and on it they just couldn't do it and I knew if I could get these people to stay with me long enough away from the addictive triggers like a drug addiction place away from your cocaine you can't get off cocaine while you keep snorting every couple of days you gotta have the cocaine taken away from you for a moment beer time yeah it's there's coke buddies to keep coming over yeah exactly so the point is I have incredible chefs there that make the food taste delicious we teach people how to make it to the food tastes great they're not doing something extreme like fasting they're eating great tasting food and they're losing three pounds a week over the first at least three pounds a week you know the first month let's say but the point I'm making now is that they learn how much to eat how they need how to make the food how to make it taste good which recipes they like they get the psychological counselling of the emotional to do with the emotional issues of what caused them to want to use food as a stimulant and why they want to avoid the problems they're like and they get their creativity back they get their intelligence back they handle their life problems back by addressing them and not by burying them and covering them up with their addictive tendencies and then they learn how fun this this can be and once they're there for a while they start to appreciate like you're saying they start to appreciate and be grateful for the food they look at a passion fruit and they say this is a miraculous food it's like how could it hold so much water and have such a protective shell what happens crime you know they didn't even think they would like that cuz it didn't taste sweet enough but they start to like things they start to love the and really feel wow that what nature has designed and they start to feeling good about the world outside of themselves and less self consumed and less living just to suit suit the primitive brains desire for stimulation with alcohol and sugar and processed foods that you know they they're they're living they become much more worldly the personalities shift they become more happy about life and more hopeful for their future that fog lifts so what I put together in north of San Diego is a really beautiful place where people can get well and if then for certain people who have diabetes or you know IQ like early stage cancers and don't with chemically put this together or they're overweight or they're food addicts or they're have blood pressure or heart disease problems it really assures me that they're gonna be able to leave and do this because you know there's they have these places people go to for a week or two and they feed them healthy diets varying some of these places but the people go home and don't follow that diet they can't stick with it this is different they really learn how to master it so when they go home they can continue it on their own and do it right and enjoy it so I'm really being getting rewarded from this seeing people because all my life the whole thing about the excitement and my passion is watching people make transformations and I'm just seeing that is so exciting and having people you know that I talk about when I talk about that patient Widow burying cancer that metastasized to her lung and was given you know six months to live I never want a person to be put in that position but the fact that she's alive now 18 years later in great health is a thrill you know what I mean – because this person is living and thriving and so was gonna die if she didn't do this and that thrilling you know but so it's the cop but so the the bottom line is that even though people who eat people can't do this on their own or won't do it on their own I still have figured out a way where I could help them and make it stick for them you know what I mean at this you know beautiful retreat you set up and don't you where are you telling me when we talk here today that you grow all the food that serve there or a lot of it a lot of it I'm eventually I'll probably be growing the vast majority of it you know what I mean so but yeah I put in 55 exotic fruit trees I have big vegetable gardens I have the best soil in the world and the best soil makes the best food and makes the best nutrients and when you're talking to person getting over from a cancer getting well from cancer or getting over an addiction with the best nutrient from the best soil it helps when you have the micro greens and the sprouts and the juicing when you have like the best soil in my soil I put in the beds there is made from earthworm gold earthworm castings with the earthworms if the aren't that junk food a corn or the Fed a special healthy earth ones you can fit a healthy diet from the earthworm commercial boards from animal spent antibiotics we using bat guano and wild jungle and forest compost and real crushed mineral rocks we're not using artificial fertilizers that can be contaminated with cadmium and stuff so even the soil is really great in is and it's wonderful to watch the food grow in such great soil that the food is like exploding out of the ground you know I remember when I put when I first planted some greens there we didn't have the fence was that had a little defects in the fence some rabbits got in and ate the greens so we fixed the hole in the fence so a rabbit couldn't get in and then within like two weeks it was like exploded and growth because the soil is so rich you know so it's just it's really been fun to have I like wanted it to yeah that's amazing that sounds great and it's people can come from for anywhere from you know four to 12 weeks or that's the thing that was so wonderful is you know it's it's like we've talked about this and you touched on it but there's a lot of cancer clinics and retreat centers and things like that where people will go for a few weeks and and they'll get they'll get a benefit right they'll they'll start to feel better their blood work might improve they might increase their energy they may even you know get out of the wheelchair like things start happening and it's really great but they start that momentum but then they go back home and their life's a mess and there's a ton of stress and they you know they're their pantry still full of junk food you know what I mean and so they are unable to and it may be it has to do with personality type or you know astrological sign or whatever it is right but they they go to its bialon because it's not enough time I'm away from the addictive trigger for the brains dopamine sensitivity tuned down and it's just so it's not our people need more time to get rid of those addictive drives it's like staying with cocaine staying off alcohol and your taste buds don't get stronger after a few weeks you're not enjoying the flavor of natural foods as much as you're gonna have that ability to enjoy them after eight to 12 weeks it takes longer to retrain the taste buds and it takes longer to not to be attracted emotionally attracted to those foods it takes time to lose the emotional attraction and it takes time to use the physical attraction for that so there's too high a probability of falling back you know I'm not saying that it's not benefit to some people and then I have people come to say one or two weeks for me to and I do that most benefit to get to them and to have them do the best they can but the probability of success just is heightened when you stay along a period then and that's you know sort of that with the probability of success and less chance of recidivism the same thing is with cocaine addicts or cigarette smokers but longer we can keep them in a healthy environment away from smoking and away from cocaine they're more likely going to stay off at long-term but this is even better because they become experts on how to make the foods their taste buds change and of course they've got more counselling and emotional counselling and psychological counseling about food addiction so they were able to deal with the problems in their life better so with the whole picture just the time really is needed to assure the obstacles are removed and they can comply with this and enjoy it as much as possible and there's medical supervision on top of that right and it's my medical supervision in other words I'm the doctor giving I'm the doctor there personally caring for the people which I enjoy tremendously okay folks well I will put a link to that retreat center in the show notes if anybody's interested in finding out more about it sounds amazing I mean I would be inclined to go myself had I known about it in my healing crisis I just to break out of of my life don't you I'm gonna invite you to come one time even if it's for a short period of time because we have a sand pile we have a sand volleyball court and um animal eggs are there trees and yep we have disc disc golf course you know what I mean so you gotta come on my invitation just to have a good time we'll have some fun together coming you and your family I would love that next time I'm in San Diego I'm I'm coming man that sounds great I want to see it sounds amazing well dr. Fuhrman thank you so much for being so generous with your time and sharing your knowledge and expertise with my audience I know it's I know you're passionate about it and probably like me it's you know you never get tired of talking about it so thank you again for your great work and everybody I linked it to dr. Fuhrman's books and the show notes will link to the retreat center and some of the studies we talked about and so you can go learn more from there so is there anything any final words and I just like to ask you to say if someone is dealing with a cancer diagnosis like what do they need to know like what what's the most important thing you could communicate to them and just in a minute or two well I think my message is similar to yours and that's I really appreciate the camaraderie here and my and this is a message of hope and healing and positiveness and the fact that people now have something they can do to change their outcome and we know that there's lots of data to suggest this is not focus focus this is not alternative medicine this is progressive medicine it's scientifically vetted that people live longer have less recurrence and have and do better because they watch their diet and when you tweak the diet to this extreme of excellence it's very very powerful so I want them and it's therapeutically but you know we're talking here that it's therapeutically more effective for multiple diseases including autoimmune conditions like lupus and psoriasis and and so in scleroderma and Sjogren's syndrome and rheumatoid arthritis in other words nutritional excellence is therapeutically effective and people have to know it about it and take advantage of that's that's perfect and I'll just I'll just add this little bit which is I think what I am trying to communicate most to people is that you know you don't have to be a victim of disease and that your choices matter and no matter what medical treatments you choose there's so much you can do to help yourself at home right through the choices you're making every day especially the diet right that's a foundation of health and so to me that's so encouraging and exciting and empowering and I just again thank you so much dr. Furman if your amazing work it's so great to know you and to be on the same team great to know you too okay best of luck to you and all your listeners and hope we meet again in near future amazing okay well thanks everybody for watching please like and share this video with people you care about this is important information and needs to get out there so thanks again dr. Furman bye everybody

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The imperfect fruitarian

Chris love your show and information.
I had just seen this yesterday https://youtu.be/FgmbnR4bhX8
about Dr. Fireman.
And I’m a great fan of Colin Campbell.
What are your thoughts. Do you think it is not true?
Thanks so much for weighing in.

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Prophetic Chain Prophetic Chain

Excellent!😊👌 You both look young for your age😊 a testimony to your lifestyle 😊

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Peke's Repose

yeah nope. drop the commercials Chris. people can't skip through awkward video conferences when the adds are up.

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Timmy J

The King of Nutritional Science. DR. FUHRMAN!!!!!

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Shirley Howard

So many good doctors out there, but, Dr Brooke Goldner has the best results with auto-immune diseases in my opinion! Chris, you really need to interview her!

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Jacqueline Fossett Stanford

AWESOME Information!
Thanks Chris & Dr. Joe Fuhrman

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Lisa Murphy

I've lately been really enjoying baby kale salads. The baby kale is so much better than the big kale. Squeeze some lime juice on that, add a little organic honey and then a little olive oil. Throw on some tomatoes and cashews and then sprinkle some spirulina over the top. It is KILLER!!

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Lisa Murphy

I'm 65 too! Yeay for 65 yr olds. And I have a better bod now than when I was twenty – been lifting weights for thirty years. I do eat all organic, lots of raw veggies and some meat. One cocktail per day. I have near perfect health and haven't seen a doctor in twenty years. I'm the only one of my five siblings left, my brothers and sisters died of cancer, heart disease or drug abuse. They didn't eat good food, they ate a lot of restaurant food which I get the feeling is the worst thing you can do.

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Julie Marshall

My favorite doctor by far! Especially since personally 23 years of research and living a strong plant-based diet and not being sick. He is the best and right on not just telling people what they want to hear but the truth! When you stop the cause of toxicity going in and correct nutritional deficiencies by putting in your body the most nutrient-dense foods then your immune system can do its job and self-heal! I have a passion like dr. Fuhrman to help anyone who wants to live a great quality of life all the years the Lord grants them! Thank you Chris for finally interviewing him! I truly respect you both!

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Companion Animal Outreach - Sarah Manns

Dr. Furman is a good doctor, furthermore a good man who has passion to help people… for decades! 🥦🌶️🥕🍉

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Tracy Vann

Great interview Chris! I LOVE Dr. Fuhrman!

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Mollyjak4

Chris both you and Dr. Fuhrman just glow- great complexions – youthful!

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Kathy Stoner

Excellent interview! This interview really helped me today! I am trying to heal from M.E./CFS

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Jenn S

Two of my biggest heroes in the world!!! Thanks for interviewing Dr. Furhman!!!!

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jim rogers

Fuhrman is a fraud who recommends up to 40% high fat diet. His food pyramid actually includes animal products and junk food. Hack for the nut industry.

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Geneva Labate

Who is the person that Dr Fuhrman is referring to that is not honest about what the research shows about lectins? I would like to know.

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keeperofthememories

Excellent interview. Thank you so much. My dream is to go to Dr. Fuhrman s retreat

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Gail Moree

Drs say no to raw( as in juicing) when on chemo. What does Dr Furman say? Is there an effective way to remove chems from raw foods?

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Kelly's Finally Woke

Loved this! I changed my diet to heal uterine fibroids and I feel great! Lost 35 pounds in the meantime with Dr Fuhrman's help! ❤️

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Nadia Tamer

God Bless you Chris for all you do and especially for interviewing wise people for our benefit! I’m just curious…what are you sipping on Chris?lol

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Yafa Pareve

Loved this but thought the number of ads was excessive. Still gave a thumbs up. Thanks Chris & Dr. Fuhrman!

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mattsuito

Please chris can you tell us if we can put oil on our salad because the doctor said fat are bad . is a little bit of olive oil ok ? God bless you

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Ouiza Kaci

Hi Chris
The Dr is talking about the benefits of mushrooms for cancer patients, however dr gerson doesn't allowed it in the therapy!
So what do you think?

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The Herbal Nurse

Fast food genocide indeed! Tribe stay out of those fast food stores!

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The Herbal Nurse

Yessss Chris! The one and only Dr. Furhman! You did your thing great interview. Keep doing what your doing bro! Peace

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Susan H

My favorite doctor! Thanks so much for interviewing him!

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Valerie Escabi

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